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Offline Sulli

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64 bit Memory problem??
« on: September 06, 2009, 12:37:51 PM »
Hi
Im using Windows 32 bit and my Memory shows installed 4 GB and (3.2 Usable) and i know 32 bit system only use 3 gb memory but My system supports 64 bit and i used before RC and Win 7 beta 64 bit and memory showed before 4 GB and now im using RTM and tried to installed 64 bit but Memory always shows installed 4 Gb and usable 3.2 gb.I tried to enable Memory mapping from BIOS but i dont have this option in BIOS (Phoenix version A04) .tried to change from MSCONFIG maximum Memory use not works either..

Recently i upgrade my graphics card ATI Radeon HD 4350  i think after that im getting this problem.........

Any help???
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Re: 64 bit Memory problem??
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2010, 01:57:18 AM »
Strange that no one answered you.... but x64 OS can use more than 4GB Memory. and X86 memory is stuck at the 3+GB usage, there is a patch available from M$ that will allow more than 3+GB Memory on x86 OS.
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How To Enable More Than 4GB Memory in Windows Vista and Windows 7
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2010, 04:15:43 AM »
I too find it strange nobody replied to this post, but what I find even stranger than that is that nobody was thoughtful enough to post links for the patches.

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If you have 4GB or more RAM then you are probably familiar with the following screen.


Computer Properties displayed installed memory as 4GB but at the same time stated that only 3 GB is usable. So, where did the remaining memory go?

As it turns out, chunks of your RAM are reserved for various purposes and are not available to the operating system. For example, PCI Express support will reserve 256-768 MB depending upon the graphics adapter. Due to this Windows always displays less than 4 GB RAM as the amount of usable memory. Depending upon your hardware, anywhere between 2.75 GB and 3.5 GB of RAM will be available to the OS.

But, what if you have more than 4 GB RAM? Even on a system with 32 GB RAM, 32 bit editions of Windows will display less than 4 GB of memory. This is a known limitation of the Windows Vista and 7 x86 editions.

Microsoft claims that it is not their fault and is instead a limitation of the 32 bit architecture. At first glance this seems correct. 32 bit processor using 32 bit registers should be only able to address up to 4 GB of RAM (232 = 4G). However, this is not actually true. The main reason being a feature called Physical Address Extension (PAE).

PAE makes it possible to address more than 4 GB of memory using 32 bit registers, since the registers aren’t used to store the physical address. Instead, the registers store linear addresses, which are mapped to physical addresses using the page table. This feature has been available since the days of Intel Pentium Pro. In x86 processors additional address lines are provided so that up to 64 GB can be addressed when using the PAE mode. If you want to learn more about Windows memory addressing, go through Geoff Chappell’s notes.

Windows Vista and 7 have two kernels – one which doesn’t use PAE and one which does. They are NTOSKRNL.EXE and NTKRNLPA.EXE respectively. Both of them reside within the Windows/System32 directory. Can you guess which one you are using? If you have a modern machine, then chances are that Data Execution Prevention (DEP) is enabled in your system and in that case you are already using the kernel with PAE enabled.

How to Enable More Than 4 GB Memory

Before getting started, keep in mind that this patch involves modifying the kernel. Do no proceed unless you are confident. Most security products will identify these patches as malicious since they modify the Windows kernel.

Download the appropriate patch for your system (links at the end of this post). I haven’t tried the Windows Vista patch, but I can confirm that the Windows 7 patch works. The Windows 7 patch is in Russian language. To begin patching click on the big button (refer to screenshot). After this a command prompt window should appear. Press Y.

On restarting the system, you should see two entries in the Windows Boot Menu – one being the older configuration and the other being the one with support for more than 4 GB RAM. If you don’t want to be prompted every time, press Win + R, type msconfig and hit Enter. Under the Boot tab, reduce the timeout value (to something like 3 sec). If you wish, you can simply get rid of the older configuration by deleting it. But I wouldn’t recommend this. If you get a water mark (Test Mode) on your desktop after restarting, type mcbuilder.exe in the Start Menu and press Enter.


Windows Vista Patch


Windows 7 Patch: Step 1 (Click on the button)


Windows 7 Patch: Step 2 (Press Y)

This patch will allow the OS to use more than 4 GB of memory. However, it does have a limitation – more than 3 GB of memory cannot be allocated to a single application. This patch is mainly targeted at systems with more than 4 GB of RAM. However, in some cases installing this patch on 4 GB systems will also lead to an increase in available memory (which may not necessarily result in performance improvement). This may appear to be a bit strange since Windows 7 and Vista are technically capable of addressing up to 4 GB of memory. Obviously, there is a logical explanation for this behavior. But, I won’t discuss it here. Refer to Geoff Chappell’s notes on Physical Memory Map if you wish to explore the issue in detail.



 
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